Identity And The Internet.

Alright, I’ve been holding my tongue about this for a long time.

But my pal Styro’s recent encounter with interweb ‘identity theft’ left me feeling, well, as though a long-festing wound of mine had been peeled open like a ripe, tender orange, and then had some salt and alcohol splashed into it, generating a frothy, burning fleshy soup.

I know — I just grossed me out, too.

But the point here is that I too have had a brush with something similar, though in my instance the circumstances were/are much more involved, complex, tender. First off though, let’s be clear: I have willingly given much of what’s been taken. I have put myself out here on the internet, exposed my loves, my interests, my tastes, and even my friends, none of which I own or ever intended to stake a claim to (as if I could pee on them and somehow make them untouchable, unreachable by others); on the contrary, I have given freely, and been very happy to do so. As I’ve said before, I love exposing others to new things, new interests, new people, new music and film and books and so on; it is a large part of the reason I do this. I get a great deal of joy and satisfaction out of hearing from people that I’ve opened up a new online world to them, or exposed them to something they’ve grown to love as I do, or gotten them interested in things they may not have known of before frequenting sweetney. Its thrilling, honestly, and I don’t at all begrudge those who’ve taken what I’ve given; in that transaction I indeed benefit, and I’d be a liar if I claimed I don’t.

However, let’s also be clear: there is, to my mind, a very definite difference between what most of us, myself included, do on the internet, which is mine snippets of other’s cool links and offerings hither and thither — an mp3 from here, a link from there — and the wholesale internet identity co-option I experienced.

Let’s put it in more concrete terms, shall we?

OKAY, Wholly hypothetical situation: Let’s say, like, a year or so back, you come to make a friend. And this person is sweet and nice and geeky and funny and you like them. They are very different from you in many ways — more wholesome, younger, kind of small-townish, not at all ‘alt’ or ‘indie’ — but you like them and embrace them. And then let’s say that slowly, over the course of this year-ish of you knowing one another, that this person — who is also a blogger — begins to publicly co-opt and reassemble as their own a disturbingly large amount of your interests, musical tastes, and even some personal linguistic proclivities. Let’s say that, again over the course of a year, they start frequenting your online haunts (which they of course found THROUGH YOU, because, being the blogger you are, you fucking broadcast all this shit everywhere), befriending your online friends and even in-real-life-friends, ALL AS YOU WATCH, AMAZED. But hey, you like this person, remember? You were even what might be described as kind of supportive and cheerleadery of this friend… at the beginning, at least. And you keep repeating that to yourself (I like this person… I like this person…) over and over as you watch this person’s writing change, and what they say they’re into, and their likes and dislikes, and who a majority of their ‘friends’ are, and so on — all to align more with YOU.

And at some point, obviously, it starts to creep you the fuck out, as much as you’ve been wanting to deny it and ignore it. Against your own better judgment and desire to NOT see, you can’t help but start to notice all the little things: the uncredited links taken directly from you; the sudden appearance of any blog you list as a favorite or reference positively over on this person’s blogroll; the reconfiguration of this person’s online identity and self-presentation in large and small ways that clearly imitate you and your interests.

So you agonize for months about this because, remember, you like the person. Despite everything (including, perhaps, reason), you believe they are good people and not meaning to upset or abuse you. And though all of this was flattering initially — imitation being the sincerest form, blah blah blah — you now know this has to stop, so you write this person an email and spill out all of your discomfort and concern, hoping for dialogue. What you get in return is incredulity; the person doesn’t know what you’re talking about... which, all things considered, is inconceivable and sort of insulting. Yet, unbelievably, that’s that. Then the person stops talking to you for a while, going so far as to (GASP) remove you from their blogroll — as if one can simply disappear and retreat from the truth.

And you feel kind of bad. I mean, not in the slightest thinking that perhaps you were mistaken — you could go back and chart out over months and months the development of the changes and alterations of this person’s blog and persona, starting before you were friends (thanks, WayBack Machine) to the present. But why do that, when you both know the score? However, you also know what it is to feel socially awkward and insecure, so you feel for the person. You don’t want to hurt them. You try to drop it, to let it go, to be the “big person” in this situation, walk away and just convince yourself that everything is okay….

And then you read Styro’s post, and all hell breaks loose.

No, in truth, its more like: you check their site for the first time in a while and spy several new alterations to their “About” section that reanimate your feelings of claustrophobia, anxiety, and weird violation. And then you read Styro’s post and all hell breaks loose.



I don’t know, guys. I want to be a nice person. I want ever so much to be an endlessly giving, loving, boundary-free person. But I’m clearly so not, and my Internet Personal Space Bubble has not merely been breached, its been breached and breached and breached, over months and months and months, and I can only take so much. Sigh.

So its come to this. What would Brian Boitano do?


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  • http://bigdlittledmistatruffyandme.blogspot.com Karen Rani

    This actually happened to my friend. (I sent her your link) and once the offender was called out, she had the gall to say the things she created were her own and that my friend stole them. All evidence points to my friend being the creator and it’s a whole she said/she said thing. Most people know the truth, but goodness – what an awful feeling. My sympathies lie with you Tracey. How incredibly terrible.

  • http://ohmygawdreally.blogspot.com Sassy

    OMG, wow, as Karen just said, this happened to me. It was a supposed best friend and over time, she slowly took most of what I ever did/created and claimed it as her own, all the while, telling people that I was the one who stole from her. I swear she wanted to become me…and when it gets to that point, it does become creepy. She’s been slightly stalking me, which I find odd because for the past few months, she’s told people she hates me. So why bother with me? I don’t know, it’s weird. So I can totally relate to what you’re saying and empathize! I, too, don’t mind sharing my interests, creations, ideas etc but there has to be a line at some point, that you have to come up with your own stuff too. And this ex friend definately crossed it, big time! I feel for you hun!

  • http://mom-101.blogspot.com mom101

    Oh I’m so sorry. It’s clearly eating at you and that’s no fun at all.
    I’m pretty sure Brian Boitano would go all ninja on her ass with his skate blade. And actually, didn’t he go through this very same thing with Paul Wylie? You might want to google that.

  • http://www.fussy.org Mrs. Kennedy

    No way, Paul Wylie? He was my chem partner in high school!

  • http://www.ninjapoodles.blogspot.com Belinda

    Unreal. And you’d think it would be obvious that you’re the chicken and the interloper is the egg. Gee, that wasn’t very flattering, was it? But you know what I mean.
    This is creepy. I’m feeling all Single White Female-y.

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    belinda: well, there’s a difference in direct STEALING (ie: copying text from another’s site or something) and co-opting. one can easily co-opt, particularly over a long enough period of time, a great deal of these less concrete components of what i’m loosely calling “identity” without it being obvious. small things here and there over time and no one notices, except the person they are being co-opted from, who sees the progression and knows the source,as well as who that person was before the association activated the changes. which makes it all the more crazy-making, i guess.

  • http://gracedavis.typepad.com GraceD

    Whoa, I thought you were talking about me until I got to the part about “…wholesome, younger…”
    Whew. Relief.

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    grace: HA! yeah, i imagine a mental full-stop on that line of thinking was achieved once you reached the word “wholesome.” and anyhow, its pretty clear you got your own thing goin’ on, lady.
    though the phoning me at 3am every night to talk about your hopes, your dreams, your fears, really has to stop.
    and in response to your earlier email, NO, you may not have “sweetney” tattooed on your right buttock. i mean, really!

  • http://www.styrofoamkitty.com styro

    We emailed about this, but I’ve had people do this to me in the “real” world, and it’s one of those things like, HOW do you confront somebody who is trying to BECOME you? It’s like, “wow, that’s flattering, NOW STOP.”
    I found out that the girl who stole my sitename just did it on the 5th of this month, and Mark found her through a comment she left on Julia Mockingbird’s site. Now, Julia and I are “real life” friends, and I’m on her blogroll, and also, if you google “styrofoamkitty,” you’d see that it was already, well, taken. So despite the woman’s assertions that she just “made up” the name, uh, well, yeah. Obvs that’s not the case.

  • http://gingajoy.blogspot.com joy

    glad i was not the only one to experience sudden paranoia there! (ohmygod, am i being *weeeird* with this here new blog thing??) but then the “younger” part also had me breathe a sigh of relief, and also the knowledge that i am unabashed about my whole-hearted enjoyment of the black-eyed peas;-)
    styro–she’s only had it a month? she needs to give it up bigtime.

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    dudes, CHILL, for reals. if i haven’t confronted you directly about all the above mentioned things, you are not the person! sheesh.
    and, as styro said to me in an email, hell, we EXPECT to have shit lifted from us. its all part of the love of the interweb, and i’m down with all of that. that said, its crossing a line to sort of methodically collect and reassemble large parts of another person’s online indentity and life as your own.

  • http://www.styrofoamkitty.com styro

    Yeah, she needs to change it, but she won’t. She said, “I just changed it (from the yahoo 360 acct), so I won’t confuse my readers by changing again.” Uh, how about not confusing MY readers, beeyotch??

  • http://bigdlittledmistatruffyandme.blogspot.com Karen Rani

    Am I the only one who is morbidly curious to find out who this person is?

  • http://www.mydogharriet.blogspot.com Meghan

    OKAY! Nobody is trying to morph into me…. NO ONE!!! What’s wring with me?
    Where is MY single white female?
    I feel so inadequate!
    Really though. That’s just wierd.

  • http://www.mydogharriet.blogspot.com Meghan

    And apparently I can’t spell, type, or leave a comment properly. No wonder I don’t have a doppleganger…….

  • http://gingajoy.blogspot.com joy

    sweetney, one of my favorite sayings is “just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean everyone is not out to get you.”
    uhm, so does this mean i give up my new http://www.sweatney.com domain registration? looks like meghan wants a doppelganger, so i might go that route instead.

  • http://ninjamonkey3000.blogspot.com/ mighty!

    harsh!!! I loves me the interweb drama!!

  • http://pickleness.blogspot.com Stephanie A.

    Oh, this happened to me in the real world. Like you, I thought it was all in my head… until I saw that she bought all of the same UNDERWEAR I had!
    It can be so frustrating because you start second-guessing yourself when the person publishes in her town’s local newspaper, verbatim, the text that YOU wrote reviewing a new album. Didn’t I say that first? Wait, yeah, I said that. No, no, maybe it really was her who had said that.
    Eeek- who has time for the madness?!?!?! You’re handling this beautifully.

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    stephanie — yeah, the second-guessing… which is why it took MONTHS of semi-constant agonizing for me to even confront the person. it was only when it reached a point where, several times a week, i had definitive moments of ‘WTF?” that i finally took that step. and that was a couple months back.
    i’m pretty much constantly questioning myself and my perceptions. but this got to a place where it wasn’t, umm, questionable.
    and Karen, i’m really trying NOT to be mean or cruel here. so i’m not naming names. i honestly just want it to finally stop, and i’m pretty sure that with this post i’ve achieved that. i wish i could’ve achieved it with my private email to the person in question, but for whatever reason that did not have the desired impact.

  • http://www.makinghappy.com Gayla

    Sweetney thank you for writing this. I have experienced this (both in real life while in highschool and more recently via the world wide web) and the worst part is that ultimately it made me feel like I had done something wrong. The real life one was easier and less abstract to confront but the http://www... Ultimately I know my perception isn’t wrong but this kind of situation is pretty crazy making and hard to discuss with people without sounding like a mad person or an egocentric dink. Thank you!

  • http://bigdlittledmistatruffyandme.blogspot.com Karen Rani

    You have more patience than I could ever achive to, Sweetney, and I applaud that. I hope I didn’t offend – I surely did not mean to and I’m sorry if I did. I have alot of respect for you and what I wrote was kinda impluse – much like those damn choclate bars at every cash register I frequent. Seriously….very sorry.

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    karen…? you’re kidding, right? why would i be mad? because you asked who the person was? don’t be silly — of course i’m not MAD — i’d be wanting to know precisely the same thing! i just feel like i owe it to the person in question to not answer, you know? however badly things have gone, and however unpleasantly our friendship unravelled, the person was a friend, and i’m not gonna publicly roast them. i imagine most of you understand that…

  • http://busymom.net Busy Mom

    I swear, I just made up the name, “fleetney” and it had nothing to do with you. Really, it didn’t. Stop looking at me like that.
    Is it any wonder no one copies me?

  • http://www.desperatetimes.org/hippymama Amy

    So sorry to hear this is happening to you. Have you seen the movie “how to kill your neighbors dog” it’s hilarious!!

  • http://bigdlittledmistatruffyandme.blogspot.com Karen Rani

    No I didn’t think you were mad, I just felt stupid for posting that in the first place and felt I should apologize – damn internet and it’s stupid lack of emotion. I’m a tool. ;)

  • J.K.

    If you were so anxious to get this resolved between the two of you, why would you involve so many other people in ‘resolving’ this issue.

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    i hate it when people comment who *don’t actually read the post they are commenting about in its entirety.*

  • http://www.makinghappy.com Gayla

    I’ve been thinking about this (having recently re-experienced it) and thought I would add to the discussion. It has been said countless times and you reference this in your post — the idea that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (I got the feeling you didn’t mean it, what with the blah blah blahs). Anyways, I’ve got to say that in my experience it is exactly opposite to that — it’s a huge slap in the face. Maybe it’s not even that… the thing about this dynamic is that it requires a complete and utter lack of acknowledgement of the equistence of the person being “stolen” from. Because to recognize that person would be to acknowledge the root of this new identity. It’s kind of like, I will take from you as I want — skim off the top so-to-speak — and then discard you entirely. Although granted part of the problem was that the person couldn’t see you in the first place but by the end you become pretty much invisible. The person wants to be you, without actually being you… because while I don’t believe we are the sum total of our experiences, who we are or how we are has a lot to do with what we have experienced and how those experiences shift us. The whole thing is madness really. Sucks. Literally. Heh.